Hagoth in the book of mormon

Hagoth then built other ships that carried people to a land northward. Hagoth industries is an industry leader in multicrop harvester and agricultural equipment manufacturing, parts repair and replacement, and custom metal fabrication. The ship of haggoth minerva teichert book of mormon art this colorful painting shows the ship that hagoth built in the beloved book of mormon story. The book of mormon text refers to the language it is written in as reformed egyptian. Hagoth believed to be link between polynesia and peoples. The first of these assumptions is untrue and the second, though possible, is not supported by the text itself and must be inferred from. This is the only instance in book of mormon history when mention is made of shipbuilding and exploring by. Higher to lower elevation map wayne may, book of mormon geography presentation, ancient american history conference, slc, april 1, 2011 rivers flow from higher elevations to lower elevations. The same place the reformed egyptian language ended up. Hadugoth book of mormon onramp general discussions. Five misunderstandings of the book of mormon text that. The widespread defensive military campaigns conducted by moroni and his commandershelaman, teancum, lehi, antipus, and othersrestored to the land an era of peace around 56 bc. But no entity outside of the mormon church refers to reformed egyptian as a real, written language.

The book of mormon reports that an exceedingly curious man named hagoth went forth and built him an exceedingly large ship alma 63. Mormon does not mention hagoth because he built a ship. Directional geographical locations in the book of mormon. There are over 100 theories concerning book of mormon geography. Sometimes one has to laugh at the lack of understanding, or just plain ignorance, of mesoamerican theorists who write about matters in the book of mormon with such flagrant disregard for actual scripture statements. Their journeys set the stage for the expansion of the nephite nation and also demonstrate that the scattering of israel was taking place even among the nephites. Hagoth is said to be an exceedingly curious man, where curious probably does not mean inquisitive, but rather careful.

This doesnt support the idea that hagoth led expeditions sailing into the pacific ocean from the americas. Despite the translation of egyptian and numerous american indian languages, reformed egyptian remains unknown. Scripture does not say that he captained a vessel or that he was an explorer or an adventurer, or that he led people. Dna hagoth there is a strong correlation between the ojibwa tribe of the great lakes area, and the druze of israel. Wouldnt it be cool to find some archaeological evidence.

The book of mormon does not equate the west sea with the pacific ocean. Most still do and of course the church has invested a ton of money in exploiting this connection. This remarkable find coincides with the true book of mormon geography which is centered in western new york not mesoamerica. The uncertainty concerning the final destination of hagoths voyagers has captured the attention of book of mormon readers for generations. And it came to pass that hagoth, he being an exceedingly curious man, therefore he went forth and built him an exceedingly large. The paper, hagoth and the polynesians, is reprinted as a chapter in the book of mormon.

Book of mormon article nephi and jacobs isles of the sea others versus modern prophets hagoth and polynesians. Following the lengthy war between the nephites and the lamanites, peace was once more established in nephite territory and many people began moving into the land northward, probably because it was more distant from the lamanite border and hence safer. The book of mormon does not tell us that hagoth was onboard any of the ships that were lost. One thing that can be particularly confusing in the book of mormon is that all directional names are relative to the context in which they are given. Wayne may says the land of nephi tennessee was a higher elevation than the land of zarahemla illinois. There is a lot of interchange going on, not all of which, and maybe not most of which, need be attributed to hagoth. Hagoth eventually built even more ships and many people set sail in these vessels toward the land northward. Even if it wasnt true, the connection to the book of mormon was striking. Book of mormon names attested in ancient hebrew inscriptions john a. The time frame was marked by relative peace in the land, allowing for a northern expansion of people.

Hagoth and the polynesians religious studies center. Adultery was third to murder and the sin against the holy ghost as abominable sins. One of them, a man named hagoth, built a large ship and launched it into the west sea. Hagoth hagoth is reported to have built ships and sent explorers northward from a spot on the coast of the west sea by the narrow neck of land see alma 63. The folkloristics in the link require far more accessory investment from the core spiritual message than do the simple claims in the introduction, chapter headings and title. Book of mormon geography is one of my favorite topics, and its been a while since i talked about it. Interestingly enough, this book has an incredible amount of connections to the book of mormon and lds doctrine while nowhere in the book or website does it specifically make a case of connection or outreach to members of the church.

From this passage, many readers of the book of mormon assume that hagoth led groups of people by ship to the north and that he and one group disappeared, probably ending up in hawaii or elsewhere in polynesia. Time to reevaluate descendants of hagoth lehites lamanites like with blacks and the priesthood ban. Many nephites took food and supplies and sailed north in his ship. The book of hagoth hagoth built ships and departed from the land southward with his family and twelve nephite and twelve ammonite families.

Theres a lot of backstory behind this question, which will go unstated and misunderstood if we dont mention it up front. Hagoth and his shipbuilding accomplishments are briefly described in the book of alma in the book of mormon. The book of mormon does not tell us that hagoth was on board any of the ships that were lost. What we have here, is an account of a colonizing movement of men, women, and children who went out in ships presumably into the pacific ocean sometime between 53 and 57 b. He was a very ingenious mechanic, and in the thirtyseventh year of the judges b. Soenson, considered the guru of mesoamerican bom geography, when he writes in his. The interest in the people of the pacific comes from a brief account in the book of mormon of one hagoth, a nephite shipbuilder who left the americas and sailed away and was never heard of more alma 63. He and his wife, the former arlene chapman, live in mona, utah. Because the entire civilization was founded by seafarers, it would be more surprising if the nephites did not use ships than if they did, and.

The church was reestablished and the people again began to prosper. Mormonism was established in hawaii and the book of mormon was available by the time the alleged fabrication of. Another possible hebrew etymology for hagoth is a form of. For all we can tell, the skilled hagoths main objective was to profit from the shipping industry. There is nothing in the text of the book of mormon that would limit the nephites geography from stretching from costa rica to cumorah. Hagoth industries multicrop harvester manufacturer. One possible explanation would be that kepelino and kamakau had read the hagoth reference in the book of mormon and postulated the hawaii loa legend from it. The story of hagoth is recorded in just six verses 49 of alma 63. This belief, at least in part, that polynesians are lamanites stems from the story of hagoth in the book of mormon. Simply put, the book of mormon is not about hagoth in europe or his testimony of christ, nor about his role as a witnessing father to the lamanite remnant, jew, or gentile.

Concerning this record, the prophet joseph smith, who translated it by the gift and power of god, said, i told the brethren that the book of mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to god by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book see the introduction at the. Hagoth specializes in manufacturing multicrop harvesters for sweet corn, snap peas and beans. The first ship returned and picked up even more people. It will not thoroughly examine the current or past theories of the origin of the polynesians, but concentrate on the book of mormon account and supplementary interpretations that have led to the traditional beliefs. They traveled north along the pacific coastline to the mouth of the colorado river, up the colorado river to the area now known as four corners where they settled for a. The story of hagoth shows the nephites were proficient in shipbuilding, as mormon implies in helaman 3. In that paper, brother parsons addressed the question of what happened to hagoth and the. Tvedtnes, john gee, and matthew roper journal of book of mormon studies 91 2000. There he built an exceedingly large ship, and launched it on the pacific ocean. The mentinah archives volume one the nemenhah orem, ut.

Where did hagoths ship in the book of mormon end up. In what amounts to an aside in the story of the book of mormon peoples, there is in the 63rd chapter of alma a brief reference to a curious man named hagoth. He has written several books, including life lessons from the book of mormon, commentaries on isaiah in the book of mormon, and the bestselling latterday commentary on the book of mormon. The three most abominable sins religious studies center. For all we can tell, the skilled hagoth s main objective was to profit from the shipping industry. The ship of hagoth minerva teichert art book of mormon. Hagoth built a large ship and launched it on a northern course into the west sea by the lands of bountiful and desolation. Book of mormonlamanitesrelationship to polynesiansare. A radically different book of mormon geography theory.

Hagoths ships sailed up the coast of the west sea, and we do have some linguistic evidence of nephites in california brian stubbs. He served a fulltime mission in southern england during the early 1970s. Alma the testimony of the word, published by byus religious studies center. This episode helps establish that the scattering of israel was taking place even among the nephites. Do mormons believe polynesians are descended from hagoth. Loveland i n what amounts to an aside in the story of the book of mormon peoples, there is in the 63rd chapter of alma a brief reference to a curious man named hagoth. With this declaration, alma identified for corianton the three most abominable sins in the sight of god. The book of mormon was written for the intent that we may believe the bible, morm.